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		<title>By: Joel Norton</title>
		<link>http://booksfilmandmusic.com/2007/12/12/global-warming-cult-and-the-devaluation-of-humanity/comment-page-1/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stever Dooner has is right.  The issue of Global Warming and the future health of the planet is too important to let it sink into politiacal diatribes.

I had the opportunity to listen to a lecture given by Dr. James Hansen at the Nobel conference this year. He has spent his career studying climate and climate change.  He spelled out the situation very clearly.  If we choose to do nothing, then we can expect meters of sea level rise and the extinction of 25-50% of wildlife, this century.  It is that simple.

http://gustavus.edu/events/nobelconference/2007/hansen-lecture.php

I am sorry that some of us have chosen to make this a political or idealogical issue.  But in the end, all of us (republicans and democrates) are going to have to live with the results.  We as a society are going to have to decide how we are going to make important decisions.  Are we going to trust in scientific reason or politcal dogma?  Which do you choose Dan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stever Dooner has is right.  The issue of Global Warming and the future health of the planet is too important to let it sink into politiacal diatribes.</p>
<p>I had the opportunity to listen to a lecture given by Dr. James Hansen at the Nobel conference this year. He has spent his career studying climate and climate change.  He spelled out the situation very clearly.  If we choose to do nothing, then we can expect meters of sea level rise and the extinction of 25-50% of wildlife, this century.  It is that simple.</p>
<p><a href="http://gustavus.edu/events/nobelconference/2007/hansen-lecture.php" rel="nofollow">http://gustavus.edu/events/nobelconference/2007/hansen-lecture.php</a></p>
<p>I am sorry that some of us have chosen to make this a political or idealogical issue.  But in the end, all of us (republicans and democrates) are going to have to live with the results.  We as a society are going to have to decide how we are going to make important decisions.  Are we going to trust in scientific reason or politcal dogma?  Which do you choose Dan?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Dooner</title>
		<link>http://booksfilmandmusic.com/2007/12/12/global-warming-cult-and-the-devaluation-of-humanity/comment-page-1/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Dooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HAVE read the science.  You have not.  You are cherry picking articles so much they should call you the &quot;king of non sequiturs.&quot;  Hey!  Got some &quot;Medieval warming periods&quot; here and got some &quot;flatulence&quot; over there.  Oh, look!  There&#039;s a reference to someone wanting us to not have children to keep global emmissions down!  Oh, here&#039;s a reference to the Pope!  You call this informed?

This is not science.  It does not even signify in the way you think it does.  I have read the entire fourth assessment (not the summary!)  See if you can.  Then try to post on this.  Dan, I&#039;m sorry, but ou are painfully ill-informed, and so, you merely recite right wing radio talking points.

Knowing the answers to the following questions, I repeat them from my previous e-mail as a dare.  I hope you will be conscientious enough to try to answer them fairly, if you are serious about this point.

1.  Is there a relationship between greenhouse gasses and climate change?  If so, what is it?  If not, explain why?

2.  How exactly does the medieval warming period compare to our present situation?  

3.  Are human beings capable of affecting the atmosphere of the planet?

4.  Are we presently contributing to climate change?

5.  Will the current changes in climate be significant or insignificant in the future?

Try answering these, instead of spreading more flatulence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HAVE read the science.  You have not.  You are cherry picking articles so much they should call you the &#8220;king of non sequiturs.&#8221;  Hey!  Got some &#8220;Medieval warming periods&#8221; here and got some &#8220;flatulence&#8221; over there.  Oh, look!  There&#8217;s a reference to someone wanting us to not have children to keep global emmissions down!  Oh, here&#8217;s a reference to the Pope!  You call this informed?</p>
<p>This is not science.  It does not even signify in the way you think it does.  I have read the entire fourth assessment (not the summary!)  See if you can.  Then try to post on this.  Dan, I&#8217;m sorry, but ou are painfully ill-informed, and so, you merely recite right wing radio talking points.</p>
<p>Knowing the answers to the following questions, I repeat them from my previous e-mail as a dare.  I hope you will be conscientious enough to try to answer them fairly, if you are serious about this point.</p>
<p>1.  Is there a relationship between greenhouse gasses and climate change?  If so, what is it?  If not, explain why?</p>
<p>2.  How exactly does the medieval warming period compare to our present situation?  </p>
<p>3.  Are human beings capable of affecting the atmosphere of the planet?</p>
<p>4.  Are we presently contributing to climate change?</p>
<p>5.  Will the current changes in climate be significant or insignificant in the future?</p>
<p>Try answering these, instead of spreading more flatulence.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://booksfilmandmusic.com/2007/12/12/global-warming-cult-and-the-devaluation-of-humanity/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, Thanks for commenting. Obviously, I do not agree with you. Here&#039;s why, since the post itself wasn&#039;t sufficient.:

Seeing as how the earth has gone through numerous climate changes and shifts in the past; and other planets in our solar system are also now undergoing their own climate changes (and no humans live there); and as the GW cult is led by hypocrites who do not practice what they preach; and seeing as President Bush is as serious a proponent of GW as he is about border security; and, since you pretend that the contentiousness regarding GW in the scientific community is actually consensus (as all true-believers do) you ought to read the science yourself and follow the paths of the skeptics before you drink all of the pseudo-science liberal leftist agitprop kool-aid. 

&quot;Ad hominem&quot;, no, I don&#039;t think so, but as an interested observer in social phenomena as a member of the GW cult do you have to wear robes or shave your head? 

There is no doubt that the earth is experiencing climate change, I simply do not believe that human activity is responsible and, if it is why aren&#039;t you talking with China and other emerging industrial powers as they are the largest contributors to greenhouse gases. 

Of course, you would also have to eliminate every cow in the world as their flatulence is a leading cause of greenhouse gases. This was presented to the world by your favorite organization, the UN, in a report last year. I still see lots and lots of cows &#039;round heah!  So, cow gas is more dangerous to the environment than automobile exhaust. Where then is your righteous political action campaign against cows and their world destroying gasses? 

Here is a quote for you to ignore: &quot;Livestock are responsible for 18 percent of greenhouse-gas emissions as measured in carbon dioxide equivalent, reports the FAO. This includes 9 percent of all CO2 emissions, 37 percent of methane, and 65 percent of nitrous oxide. Altogether, that&#039;s more than the emissions caused by transportation&quot;. 

Now, once you&#039;re done ignoring the horrible truth that GW is about cow&#039;s gas, here is the link for you to ignore: http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0220/p03s01-ussc.html. 

The ugly truth is that this issue has nothing whatever to do with science on your part, this is about political ideology and creating a new weapon (global warming myth) that you prefer to use against industrialists, you know, capitalists. GW is a liberal hooey that you&#039;d like to use to get yourselves back in power, hoodwink the American people, and run roughshod over the &quot;evil industrialists&quot; who keep the wheels of the American economy moving but whom you hate, mainly because they probably wouldn&#039;t hire you. 

Thanks for commenting and keep up the good work... wait, no, it&#039;s not very good work at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, Thanks for commenting. Obviously, I do not agree with you. Here&#8217;s why, since the post itself wasn&#8217;t sufficient.:</p>
<p>Seeing as how the earth has gone through numerous climate changes and shifts in the past; and other planets in our solar system are also now undergoing their own climate changes (and no humans live there); and as the GW cult is led by hypocrites who do not practice what they preach; and seeing as President Bush is as serious a proponent of GW as he is about border security; and, since you pretend that the contentiousness regarding GW in the scientific community is actually consensus (as all true-believers do) you ought to read the science yourself and follow the paths of the skeptics before you drink all of the pseudo-science liberal leftist agitprop kool-aid. </p>
<p>&#8220;Ad hominem&#8221;, no, I don&#8217;t think so, but as an interested observer in social phenomena as a member of the GW cult do you have to wear robes or shave your head? </p>
<p>There is no doubt that the earth is experiencing climate change, I simply do not believe that human activity is responsible and, if it is why aren&#8217;t you talking with China and other emerging industrial powers as they are the largest contributors to greenhouse gases. </p>
<p>Of course, you would also have to eliminate every cow in the world as their flatulence is a leading cause of greenhouse gases. This was presented to the world by your favorite organization, the UN, in a report last year. I still see lots and lots of cows &#8217;round heah!  So, cow gas is more dangerous to the environment than automobile exhaust. Where then is your righteous political action campaign against cows and their world destroying gasses? </p>
<p>Here is a quote for you to ignore: &#8220;Livestock are responsible for 18 percent of greenhouse-gas emissions as measured in carbon dioxide equivalent, reports the FAO. This includes 9 percent of all CO2 emissions, 37 percent of methane, and 65 percent of nitrous oxide. Altogether, that&#8217;s more than the emissions caused by transportation&#8221;. </p>
<p>Now, once you&#8217;re done ignoring the horrible truth that GW is about cow&#8217;s gas, here is the link for you to ignore: <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0220/p03s01-ussc.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0220/p03s01-ussc.html</a>. </p>
<p>The ugly truth is that this issue has nothing whatever to do with science on your part, this is about political ideology and creating a new weapon (global warming myth) that you prefer to use against industrialists, you know, capitalists. GW is a liberal hooey that you&#8217;d like to use to get yourselves back in power, hoodwink the American people, and run roughshod over the &#8220;evil industrialists&#8221; who keep the wheels of the American economy moving but whom you hate, mainly because they probably wouldn&#8217;t hire you. </p>
<p>Thanks for commenting and keep up the good work&#8230; wait, no, it&#8217;s not very good work at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Dooner</title>
		<link>http://booksfilmandmusic.com/2007/12/12/global-warming-cult-and-the-devaluation-of-humanity/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Dooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a long ad hominem that never addresses the science of global warming at all.  The one link provided that refers to &quot;shoddy science&quot; is itself a familiar &quot;media accuracy&quot; website that nitpicks over news articles.  Anyone who has ever written a news article, or who has had a news article written about them, knows that any news article can easily be nitpicked.  This again does not get anyone any closer to the science of this matter.

The Fourth Assessment by the IPCC is hardly a &quot;cult&quot; document.  go ahead and read it, if you think it is.  And if you can dispute that greenhouse gasses are at unprecedented levels, if you can argue that there is no relationship between CO2 levels and mean global temperature, or if you can demonstrate that the medieval warming trend is in exact proportion to the phenomenon we are currently experiencing, go ahead and do so.  

Remember also that members of the &quot;global warming cult&quot; now include George Bush, whose current policy statements acknowledge that human&#039;s are affecting the climate, Newt Gingrich and Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a long ad hominem that never addresses the science of global warming at all.  The one link provided that refers to &#8220;shoddy science&#8221; is itself a familiar &#8220;media accuracy&#8221; website that nitpicks over news articles.  Anyone who has ever written a news article, or who has had a news article written about them, knows that any news article can easily be nitpicked.  This again does not get anyone any closer to the science of this matter.</p>
<p>The Fourth Assessment by the IPCC is hardly a &#8220;cult&#8221; document.  go ahead and read it, if you think it is.  And if you can dispute that greenhouse gasses are at unprecedented levels, if you can argue that there is no relationship between CO2 levels and mean global temperature, or if you can demonstrate that the medieval warming trend is in exact proportion to the phenomenon we are currently experiencing, go ahead and do so.  </p>
<p>Remember also that members of the &#8220;global warming cult&#8221; now include George Bush, whose current policy statements acknowledge that human&#8217;s are affecting the climate, Newt Gingrich and Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.</p>
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